Pecan Pie

Social Anxiety from the South

Blah, blah, Jesus, blah.

Yesterday, a “friend” posted some ridiculous drivel about not apologizing for being an American and some other mess about making kids say the Pledge of Allegiance.  Something about they “don’t make the kids say it no more.”

 

So, I mentioned that yes, indeed kids do say the Pledge at school and I know this because my boyfriend’s three boys all say it.  The response was that “well, we were forced to say it.”

 

Being a fan of actual facts and not fear-mongering, divisive, made-up bull-shit, I said that no, compulsory recitation has never been the case, though it has been tried in several areas of the United States since its addition to the school day.  You can actually thank the Jehovah’s Witnesses for saving you from being forced to pay allegiance to any flag or country without your permission.  I know this because I stopped saying the Pledge in the 5th grade in protest, ironically enough because I felt like we weren’t “One Nation under God” and until we were, I thought it was fallacy to recite it.  I was further supported by, I dunno, a little summer class I took on religion and politics.  But, hey, what the hell do I know?

 

I also mentioned that I don’t believe in god and non-belief really has not one damn thing to do with being an American (apologetic or not) and that the country was built on the backs of all of us (many of whom didn’t speak a lick of English, as it were.)

 

Which was met with some crap about feeling sorry for me because I don’t believe in god.

 

Really?

 

Good frakking grief.

 

First, be proud that I held my tongue, er, fingers far enough away from my keyboard so that little jolts of high voltage didn’t emerge on the responder’s end of the interwebz.

 

Second, I live in a part of the world that has a church on every corner.  I grew up immersed in the Southern Baptist tradition and I am the granddaughter of a United Methodist pastor.  Do you really think I don’t know all about your god, what he entails and whether or not I’m really missing out on something?

 

Give me a break.

 

The mere mention that I might believe something different, or nothing at all, offends you.  Stupid.  You piss and moan about how you’re so damn persecuted because you no longer have free reign to indoctrinate my child whenever and wherever you want, but when it comes to showing respect and compassion and tolerance to someone else…all that Jesus-itude goes right out the frakkin’ window.

 

I won’t even get into the fact that non-belief wasn’t a choice and if I had my druthers, it sure as shit would be a  helluva lot easier to believe than not.  When I was a Christina, I never heard someone say they didn’t think a Christian ought to be able to raise their own child…but I’ve had a Christian tell me someone ought to call DFCS and take my son away because it’s abusive to raise a child without god.  I didn’t say anything about the fact that I really don’t find your god to be all that good and I surely wouldn’t say I feel sorry for you for believing because believing in something so obviously without evidence is really kind of stupid.  Why?  Because my Mama raised me with some semblance  of manners and it’s RUDE to be condescending to someone you don’t know not to mention that it’s a little bit gaumless to engage someone who’s light-years ahead of you in knowledge of religion, belief and history.

 

Idiot.

 

So, I hit “remove from friends.”

 

Bah.  Bunch of BS if you ask me.

Written by thelittlepecan

November 6, 2010 at 12:57 am

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  1. if to believe that chaos can bring order,
    that human changes are absolutely part of a random process,
    and that there are effects without causes.

    ,and also that the this amazing universe has no intelligent mind behind it,
    that the inmutable laws that rule the universe are there for no reason and without intelligence.

    Then, I rather be a child thinking logically.

    gmanon

    November 25, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    • Uh. Yah. Dismissing science because one doesn’t understand it is not logical, but it is definitely childish.

      thelittlepecan

      November 25, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    • if to believe that chaos can bring order

      I have no idea what you’re referring to. If you’re referring to the beginning of our universe, we only know within nanoseconds of the Big Bang so ANYTHING prior to that is pure speculation. That includes the infamous “something from nothing” argument as well as order from chaos.

      that human changes are absolutely part of a random process

      Humans, like all known life forms, are subject to changes that are random within a finite set of options. What that means is a child of mine may have blue or green eyes or perhaps be born with none at all, but they’re not going to be born with tentacles, chickens or rocks of uranium coming out of their eye sockets. Random within a finite list of possibilities.

      I suggest you crack open a science book or even use the internet for more than writing inane comments and attempt to educate yourself on subjects you try to speak about. To do otherwise is beyond childish, its foolish. If you need links, just ask. As for the rest of your comment, I’d like to think I could fly and it’s saddening to have to live in a world where flying isn’t possible, but too fucking bad. That’s reality.

      PhillyChief

      November 26, 2010 at 10:18 am

  2. The sun shines all the time, only we don’t always get to see it. Once we couldn’t understand why, so we invented reasons in lieu of answers. The same with gravity, seeing it as merely a force that pulls things down prompted wildly imaginative causes to explain it.

    Three problems with fabricating answers when actual answers aren’t available – it’s intellectually dishonest, it discourages curiosity and the continued search for actual answers, and of course once you become comfortable with the make believe answers, you might be resistant to give them up once the actual ones are found. The latter is especially true when it comes to religion. How wonderfully comforting to think that everything was specially made just for us, that we’ll never really die, and that bad people will eventually get what they deserve. Unfortunately, how comfortably and answer fits has nothing to do with its accuracy. Time to grow up, GManon. As your book clearly states,

    When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. – 1 Corinthians 13:11

    There’s nothing more childish than playing make believe and trying to ignore reality.

    btw, I have no idea what “zombob” means.

    PhillyChief

    November 24, 2010 at 9:34 am

    • I’ll assume you know what Zomg is? Just in case, go [here]

      Well, I don’t say OMG. I say Oh, My Bob. It’s funnier and keeps me from that annoying discussion about how atheists invoke or take the name of god in vain all the time and that must have some underlying meaning. It apparently was funnier to others besides my self because I now have a small group of folks who picked it up and say it, too.

      So, ZomBob (cause I have to spell out Bob, cause most people would be REALLY confused without at least that part.)

      Hey, I’ll take popularity how ever it’ll come.

      thelittlepecan

      November 24, 2010 at 9:55 am

      • Thank you. I need all the help I can get knowing the current geek speak since I’m all old and shit.

        PhillyChief

        November 24, 2010 at 10:07 am

  3. Fats make the world change? Well, I suppose, in a way. Since every time they remove the fat from something, it removes the taste, it’s a change I think should stop now.

    No, in the end, everyone will be dead. Some people absolutely deserve that, others perhaps do not, but that is what happens, because, in your own words, what is, is. But natural law is quite different from “supernatural law” or the “goddidit” supposition. The “rules” may be already made, but the knowledge of what “made’ them is up for debate. In the final analysis, there is only being secure in your belief of why things are.

    Marie

    November 22, 2010 at 11:50 pm

  4. It’s a spam bot. It seems like it makes no sense because it really makes no sense. It’ll keep posting drivel until it’s blocked.

    Jim

    November 22, 2010 at 7:23 pm

  5. Words do not make the world to change, but fats. What it is, is.

    We can argue all we want, but at the end everyone will receive what they deserve.

    Every cause has an effect. The is a natural law.
    There is nothing we can do about this.

    GManon

    November 22, 2010 at 6:44 pm

  6. The Sun will shine when it will, gravity always will bring objects down.

    It does not matter what you believe. Things are already established to be what they are. I can’t convince you of what is convincing to me, because you are not me and I am not you.

    But if we live in harmony with the order of things, our wisdom will pay off.

    If God exists, it does not matter if you say He does not. If there is judgment, nothing is going to change it. Let’s just be wise.

    GManon

    November 22, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    • If it does not matter what one believes, then why believe anything at all?

      Truth certainly exists outside of what we believe. That’s sort of the point of faith (and why I’m not a big fan of that.) It requires that I accept something without evidence as true. I’d rather suspend judgement until further evidence is submitted.

      Wisdom is subjective. I find following facts to be wise. I don’t find it wise to follow faith.

      thelittlepecan

      November 22, 2010 at 3:11 pm

      • “If it does not matter what one believes, then why believe anything at all?”

        The whole idea is that we do not make the rules. The rules are already made.

        “I don’t find it wise to follow faith.” Probably you do not understand what faith means. Faith actually moves us to do everything we do. Faith is conviction based on knowledge rather than physical sensation.

        GManon

        November 22, 2010 at 11:00 pm

        • I absolutely adore it when Christians start making ignorant assumptions.

          The rules have been made by whom? God? Right.

          I don’t understand faith. All righty then. If you’re gonna start talking out of you know where about someone you don’t know and about whose life experience you have no clue, I’m not sure I can endure any more “discussion.” Pardon me, but I have a low bullshit tolerance and it’s pretty much been broached at this point.

          thelittlepecan

          November 22, 2010 at 11:22 pm

    • There’s a wocket in my pocket and a gink in the sink. That’s just a story too.

      Jim

      November 22, 2010 at 4:48 pm

      • Sounds dirty. Just sayin’

        thelittlepecan

        November 22, 2010 at 5:00 pm

      • Maybe it’s not a wocket in his pocket, he’s just happy to see you.

        Marie

        November 22, 2010 at 11:45 pm

        • If Jesus saw me, I’m not sure “happy” is the term he would use to describe his feelings.

          More like ecstatic.

          thelittlepecan

          November 22, 2010 at 11:47 pm

  7. I see no problem with throwing things right back at these people. If someone tells me they feel sorry for me for being an atheist, I tell them I feel sorry for them for never having gotten beyond that make-believe stage in early childhood development. If I were a single parent and someone claimed my refusal to indoctrinate my child was child abuse, I’d have to explain that doing so would be. We should refuse to be on the defensive. We may lack numbers, but in the end numbers are the ONLY defense they have as their positions are irrational and indefensible, and they should be reminded of that as often as possible.

    PhillyChief

    November 19, 2010 at 11:30 am

    • First, ZOMBOB! Yay, you’re at my place!

      Okay, sorry.

      Second, I don’t have a problem throwing it right back at them much either. What I have an issue with is pointless internet debate. I have a safe place to debate all things spiritual and say bluntly what I think with other mostly intelligent other folks (many of whom support my little operation here.)

      I don’t have much patience for people who just tow the line. I don’t have much for stupidity either. I guess, in the end, until I’m totally out to my whole family, it’s just easier for me in the most public spaces to limit my exposure to folks who annoy me.

      thelittlepecan

      November 21, 2010 at 11:20 pm

  8. I have been having some similar issues with friends. I really don’t want to delete people, but I’m beginning to think deleting people may be the best option. lol

    Zeenat

    November 8, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    • In this case, the person was someone I barely remembered from high school, so it was no big deal. If it were someone I really cared about, I would attempt direct contact first. But, I’ve deleted people or comments that were blatantly racist, or sexist, or homophobic. It’s my wall. They are free to comment and I’m free to delete. Period.

      thelittlepecan

      November 8, 2010 at 5:50 pm

  9. Jenna, I can't wait to have you home.The believers I keep close aren't generally jerks and I usually don't let the other kind get to me…but I do tend to get annoyed when someone who obviously doesn't know much about much tries to school me on anything.

    TheLittlePecan

    November 6, 2010 at 3:02 pm

  10. God and I are cool – If God is a he, He knows that I know he's in charge, and made all these nice rules like physics and stuff, and gave me dna which made a brain to use. I also know that, like a good creator, he expects me to use my brain and built-in bullshit meter, and I've got to figure it out for myself. Sure, let me toss a kid in and amongst the lying vipers. Let me toss him in with sinners pretending to be saints. I find better, nicer, true Christian folk OUTSIDE of churches. Yanno, the ones who aren't pretending? Or using their beliefs to make themselves believe that they are better than their brothers? Let me teach a child to believe people who lie to him and hurt him. I mean, I can teach him from experience how well that works. /sarcasmI've had the word of God invoked while I was being tortured physically – and the big guy didn't want anything to do with it. I've been put in harms way by being put in contact with a man who had "accidentally" killed girls, but he was reformed and a Christian, and his mom went to our church… so that makes it OK for him to call a 6-year-old his "little girlfriend". ::shudder:: I've been told I'm the child of Satan for being born on Halloween (I know, totally my fault.), and some Christians told their children not to play with me because of this. I had a Christian girl assault me, push me down, and break my nose, only to be told *I* was lying, and that I must have tripped over my shoelaces. About 90% of what I have personally seen from Christians is rudeness, holier-than-thou behavior, intolerance, hatred, judging, and greed. Jesus is on record for disliking these things, but so many Christians keep doing them. This is not all of them, of course, but I'll be damned if I bring a kid into a nest of Southern-Fried Bullshit. I will NOT teach my children to not know who to trust, and you're right to keep your little peanut safe. Christians are responsible for a lot of nasty stuff. Turns out, they're not so different from other folks – they have flaws, they're just sanctimonious on top of it. And if DFCS investigates such a bullshit thing as not bringing a child up in god, I will sue the PANTS off them, with the ACLU right behind me. God is God. Religion is a whole other matter. Religion and I aren't on speaking terms. I'll keep it that way.

    Jenna

    November 6, 2010 at 7:29 am

  11. Now, Alana, you know if you really "knew" about Jesus, you would believe again. Silly girl.I'd like to round up a large group of these people and teach them what persecution really means. Purely in the interest of an object lesson on facts and definitions, of course.

    Roachiesmom

    November 6, 2010 at 1:27 am

  12. "What is objectionable, what is dangerous, about extremists is not that they are extreme, but that they are intolerant. The evil is not what they say about their cause, but what they say about their opponents." — Robert Francis KennedyThanks, Vince!

    Jim

    November 6, 2010 at 1:06 am


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